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@LGR
9 years ago
Glad you'll be remaking the earlier videos! Really enjoying these, and they've just gotten much better lately.
@tezzaNZ
9 years ago
Yes, my intention is to redo the first lot at least up to the IBM 5150. These were the real low-res ones. I've got a better feel as to how to approach discussing these units now too. Pity I'll lose the old comments though.
@tomypower4898
5 years ago
LGR Yes duly to construct
@mistormoniteur9112
9 years ago
I miss that era of PC computing... never has been as fun or fascinating since then...
@dougbadgley6031
6 years ago
Mistor Moniteur I agree.
@coss199318
6 years ago
i agree with Doge
@SuperWarZoid
6 years ago
no turbo button anymore tho
@FubarMike
6 years ago
I somewhat agree since that was a time of huge improvement year over year and so much new technology and functionality was coming to computers. Now it just seems like buying a new computer gets you nothing more than the ability to play better games or edit more detailed content. The last big fascinating thing for me were SSDs back 6 years ago. If I wasn't interested in playing newer games or watching HD video I would probably still be using my 2007 core 2 duo computer to this day
@coss199318
6 years ago
FubarMike yeah but that's because they became a lot more stream lined... Back then you needed a lot of useless dedicated hardware for every shit and now it's all either done in software or integrated in other components as a tiny little chip.... Advancements and discovery is still happening you just don't see it with the bare eye...
@luisluiscunha
4 years ago
I agree.
But what should we do? Move with the times, and knowing that we have to pay a price in return for being alive in these fast changing decades.
@ricarleite
4 years ago
Right before it became too mainstream.
@zdpuia9432
4 years ago
Yeah damn right
@spearPYN
4 years ago
Luis Cunha I am still using those old machines...much prefer CRT monitors to LCD.
@yaboimaxwell9031
9 years ago
I love early 90s PCs
@tezzaNZ
9 years ago
A look at my Windows 3.1-based 386-DX40 PC-Compatible. The last one on the list, although video re-makes of earlier systems are planned at some stage.
There are also a few strays I need to clean up, get working and add to the collection. These might also see time in front of the camera.
@reneclement7699
9 years ago
I'm surprised that you owe such a standard beige PC. It's a kind of computer that millions of people have used, including me, but I have no good souvenirs with these. It was a transition era between DOS and Windows, and we always had to fight with the 640 KB memory limit to play games.
@tezzaNZ
9 years ago
Grégoire Colbert Yes, some others have expressed surprise at this one. It's really a bookend machine at the end of my classic collection. It represents the "standardisation" of the PC and ushers in the era of (rather boring) uniformity.
Here is what I wrote to Martin Brewer in response to a similar comment on YouTube...
"I found after 1991-92 I started to lose interest in hardware. There was still a lot of interesting things in peripherals, software and connectivity (and there was the Internet of course), but the computers themselves no longer excited me. They were all just minor variations on a theme rather than variety of designs and OSes as before."
That's why the collection doesn't go beyond the early 1990s.
@lactobacillusprime
9 years ago
Excellent video as usual. Looking forward to some of the remakes Terry.
@VicVlasenko
8 years ago
386 is my second computer (based on 386-DX from Cyrix). I've cried all the time because of terrible display =)) EISA, SIMM RAM, 40MB HDD - today it sounds funny, so much time gone =)
@hfontanez98
8 years ago
Very nice!
@cihan.kurucu
8 years ago
Vic Vlasenko 386 dx 40, 486 dx 400 and cyrix 586 i think then Thé other amd cpu`s. waaaauuuvvv
@ASeventhSign
3 years ago
Greetings Terry! I just wanted to remind you that there are people out here extremely thankful for your videos! Thank you so much for all your hard work!
@loracnmit729
9 years ago
My first Dos based PC (aside from my first computer being an Apple //e) was a 386SX/16 with 2MB ram and a 20MB MFM HDD. I bought it used for I think around $420 with a SVGA monitor. Almost a year later I found a 386DX40 motherboard for cheap. I swapped that and also added 2 more megs of ram. Only thing I needed was a new hard drive. Well, the computer expo was in town and they had HUGE 420MB hard drives on sale for only $180!! It was 2 whole weeks paycheck but I really wanted it! Couldn't make it to the show so I ended finding an 80MB HDD on a BBS for $40. My system was awesome! Added a 2x cd-rom and a 16 bit sound card to experience "multimedia". Eventually started a BBS and ended up having a 4 line BBS with 2 cd rom pushing out thousands of free shareware software titles to users. Then decided I wanted to be a mail server. My computer would call into the servers 3 times a day for "mail-runs". Those were the days...
@DanVanDam
9 years ago
Excellent, I got myself a cup of coffee and some Terry.
@tezzaNZ
9 years ago
(-:
@tezzaNZ
9 years ago
***** LOL. Actually the Commodore 64 video DOES have some light jazz in it.
@tomypower4898
5 years ago
DanVanDam I just kicked when
@what-I-see-around-me
2 years ago
My childhood. Thanks for this review from Russia!
@mharding1258
7 years ago
The port on the end of the sound card you weren't sure about.... its for a CDROM. There were 4 different standards at the time. I remember Phillips, Mitsubishi and Creative had their own. Cannot remember the 4th.
@tezzaNZ
7 years ago
+M Harding Yes, thanks.
@stonent
7 years ago
I think it was Phillips, Mitsumi, MKE/Matsushita aka Panasonic (Creative used Panasonic Drives) and Sony.
@RodBeauvex
6 years ago
That one is a SCSI port. 50 pin.
@user-pi5xz5je4y
5 years ago
I forgot about that.
@AshtonCoolman
7 years ago
I've spent several hours on Street Rod 2 because of this vid. It's ridiculously addictive and needs an android/iOS port!
@phlaelym
8 years ago
Street Rod 1&2 were great games. I used to play them on the school computers along with Dune 2 and Wolfenstein 3d.
@kiningroseburg9288
7 years ago
+phlaelym After years of playing, I finally beat "The King" and won his car, but couldn't get to drive it as that was the end of SR2 :-(
@MichaelRusso
8 years ago
The connector on the sound card was most likely for a particular CD ROM player.
@joanmagnusmagnusson5896
8 years ago
I played alot of dos games in the past..meaning in the 90´s there among a lot of hours in Streed Rod a nice game of the days ...dos was more a charming time..for me that is ;)
@tezzaNZ
8 years ago
Me too. :)
@JacGoudsmit
9 years ago
For the youngsters: The LED (not LCD) display that shows the speed, didn't actually measure the speed, it was just a two-digit display with 14 jumpers that you could set to "always on", "only on in turbo mode", "only on in non-turbo mode" or you could remove the jumper to be always off. Most computer cases came with the jumpers "pre-programmed" to show "HI" and "LO" and of course eventually there were computers that had 3 digit displays so they could show "100" or more.
@tezzaNZ
9 years ago
Yes, LED. Jeez, I made quite a few verbal typos in this one. Faulty RAM in the brain circuits there somewhere.
@tomypower4898
5 years ago
Jac Goudsmit oh yes bets....
@countrylife6216
2 years ago
i had one of that!!! oh my God!!!!!
@po4en
2 years ago
У меня был такой )
@Chekolynn
4 years ago (edited)
Hi, great video with that retro pc! I remember my old Intel 386 sx-33, has a botton that controlated the "turbo mode". In off turbo the processor run as 25 Mhz, in ON turbo as 33Mhz, that is because some programs request less velocity to work fine and some games as "Pacman" running better in low power. Greetings and tks for the longing :D
@Chekolynn
4 years ago
P.S. I keep some ISA and EISA circuits as "Cirrus Logic" video cards and HDD/Diskette control circuit and some modems. Uff, just to remember the 80´s and 90´s :D
@tezzaNZ
4 years ago
You're welcome!
@chatboxguy3363
5 years ago (edited)
They did if someone ADDED them. CD-Roms back then were new and just getting a going. They were sort of more work to use back then because the Windows GUI 3X wasn't made to run it, and DOS offered support to copy pretty efficiently. by producing a single file to produce instructions for the handling process to read the CD-Rom and produce the information in the matter of browing a 3 inch floppy. You could NOT burn as well. For this to work the person would EXIT and use DOS. But the thing was that for Windows 3X it would always leave the user going back to DOS where most of the gaming support was. Games for Windows 3X were very basic, but they still were toyed with because the graphics were different from DOS's, and it was clear that they would be the future. Some of this programming was to be in use it was known for an Operating system Microsoft was making. The operating system left the programming phase and entered the testing phase in 1993. The Operating system became available in 1994 and was known as you guessed it Windows 95. A new future was MADE where the Operating system could handle most affiars. A lot of those machines were hung onto, and a number of people bought CD-Roms which became mandatory to upgrade the above such computers. Floppy support was availalable for installing Windows 95 but they stripped out a lot of features and it required too many floppy discs. CD-Roms are sixty bucks today, but the 8 and 16 X's were $600.00 or something. But the demand did start dropping prices in time although it was something people NEEDED, and they WISHED to keep the prices up for a clean sweep profit. Windows 98 did NOT offer floppy support of course. So computers like the one above could find the second bay occupying a CD-Rom. Often back then in 93 a second floppy drive would get added because in the DOS days 2 floppies before Windows 95 was necessary. You either would have to swap Floppies for EVERY file which is Option A for 1 drive, or copy it to the HD which was best to NOT do this before transfering to Floppy B. With Windows 95 the copy and paste options made it pointless and it was better to free up IRQ space. But Terry wants to show them in their original stock condition. Please don't tell me, but that motherboard looks like a SiS motherboard. I hate them. They are horrible for compadibility. That made motherboards past the year 2000. But, they could NEVER make them function their extras. For instance, the 1 I got the graphics card likes to DROP out. That kind of problem usually pops up in IRQ handling if the programming of either the drivers are not working in sync. They wouldn't fix it. It would piss me off when my screen went dark. But then they were the LAST using that design style, but this board was made during a period where a few companies were using it. My SiS is one of their last models so its newer. I got tired of fooling with it. I came across the SiS, I didn';t buy it. If you see that on your board, FORGET it, get rid of it and find another. I think they might have been good boards though POSSIBLY in the Windows 3.1 Day, and maybe during the 9X era with errors. But the difference was by time the 2000/NT/XP core came out lots of companies had Solved this issue and COULD have the device handling operation worked out. SiS decided that it didn't matter I believe. Because people think that Windows handles it fully and that has been NEVER true. Window's operating system software for examples uses a GUI generator which is called DirectX which handles the visual palette scheme for the operating system, which communicates with the drivers handling, which intern the communication runs threw the motherboard processing chip which handles the IRQ addressing. The drivers people install are supposed to work with the IRQ handling in making it understand the PART. But, the firmware of the board has to do a returnfair. Well, SiS decided TO NOT make sure their firmware work properly. Theirfor they closed quietly after the millennium. Bad Firmware isn't cool. It even would drop its own IRQ handling which is basically like if your using your telivision that your channel would just go offair. They attributed it to static contact error generated by the contacts not setting properly although they were always in. The lie on the error worked for awhile to the people because re-setting the seating of the expansion cards would solve this issue. Anyway, to do this you have to of course turn the computer OFF, unplug it, open the case to reset the seating which means to take it out and put it back in. R.I.P. By the way I love Jezzball, but your doing it wrong. Its best to wait for the balls to split in the center, so there HALF on the LEFT and RIGHT. Now the balls remain in 2 sets. Split it again with a ball on the half. Then section off the squares in highest denominations you dare because if the ball hits the cut, you lose. The more cuts you make and LARGER at once, the more points. Windows 3.1 was mostly useful for Network gateway sharing, it had a SOUND player so you could listen to music, it did NOT come with but Windows 3X office processors were more efficient than the DOS ones. So Windows 3.1 was useful support, but it wasn't everything. Its why Microsoft made Windows 95, Macs had a real operating system already. Anyway, fighting and ALWAYS trying to make your crap work in your computer isn't fun. Anyway, each version of the Windows Core was them cutting down on DOS operations for the handling process. 3.1 was ALMOST DOS entirely. Windows 9X (95/98 resorted to DOS half of the the time). ME is 98 where they CORED out 9x shared operations to see how they would FIX this. Theirfor they sold it with a manager to RECORD the error and used the WEB to send it to them. Now, the fact is they were using people charging them for a system that wouldn't work. It did make windows NT, but they always promised to FIX it. Anyway, they NEVER did. if you have a copy of ME, flush or don't cuz its not good in the pipes. LOL. Anyway don't use it. That version of Windows was sort of fun in an annoying way, but the fact is I was never getting paid. I think Windows ME was the only millenium bug that ever existed although a error was apparent our CLOCKS would stop working on EVERYTHING. NT/2000/XP core Windows handled 70% operations. Now, the Vista/Windows 7/8/8.1 or 9 or WTF you call it did all. Although Vista only worked right on 1 brand of computer which they used for testing. I loved watching them try to fix it. They had to REBUILD it so Windows 7 or most versions use only 40% of the vista core although the basic is Vista with a cloak handler. So don't use basic EVER. 8.1 or 9 are the same, but people weren't liking the GUI and they were trying to fix the new GUI. Windows 10 works pretty well, but I don't like the damn thing. My freind was using it in Tablet mode for a week because they shut the damn thing off. Windows 10 has a new core because they made the CORE to function tablet devices.
@brentgpersonal7393
6 years ago
the cam is bit choppy or its my computer
@chiroquacker2580
6 years ago
I've had a windows 3.1 hankering lately. A 486 DX4 100 to run it on would be nice too.
@ryanfarewell7927
7 years ago
does it run club penguin???
@DyoKasparov
6 years ago
bad joke
@ryanfarewell7927
6 years ago
***** *question
@DyoKasparov
6 years ago
Ryan Farewell Wait you were actually serious? Of course it can't, even flash won't run on that, even if the OS supported it :D
@ryanfarewell7927
6 years ago
***** oh lol, thanks
@DyoKasparov
6 years ago
Ryan Farewell If you want to run CP on old OS, Win2k is the OS to go with, just need old version of Flash and Firefox/Opera installed.
@ryanfarewell7927
6 years ago
what about win vista?
@DyoKasparov
6 years ago
Ryan Farewell You shouldn't have problems running Flash games on Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7 and newer operating systems.
@MrKillswitch88
7 years ago
That sound card isn't generic and it is pretty rare, it is worth $90 US.
Thumbs up
@stonent
7 years ago
Looks like a MediaVision Thunderboard.
@elecjack1
7 years ago
Doubtful, the Thunderboard was 8-bit ISA and had a volume control on it. This one looks more like it might be from the Pro Audio Spectrum product line.
@RodBeauvex
6 years ago
1MB Tseng Labs as well. That was a nice retro machine. That whole system could probably command a few hundred now.
@ballrude
7 years ago
JezzBall Ruled!
@martintovar6666
7 years ago
i used to have an Acer Acros with a intel 486sx 25Mhz and it had a Media Vision Pro Audio Spectrum audio card, very good card it had line in, line out, mic and it also had a scsi controller, i still have the CD rom that came with the card
@brandondavis6108
7 years ago
Help! I've fallen and I can't get up!
@wamp9175
7 years ago
That's a Media-Visiom Pro-Audio Spectrum (or compatible).Sound card. The connector is for a SCSI cd-rom. Not IDE. At the time, it was the Go-To sound card. It was compatible with the ADLIB, Soundblaster, and PAS. It could be a bitch to configure, if you were low on free IRQs.
@victor44732
8 years ago
we need back turbo button!
@realgroovy24
7 years ago
+Vicdesfe useless now though.
@SteveBergen01
8 years ago
I almost only used filemanager :D
@BastetFurry
8 years ago
Well... you could have lh'ed and devicehigh'ed some of those drivers... ;)
@tezzaNZ
8 years ago
Bastet Furry Lol. Yea, in the day I would have... (:
@an_orcat
8 years ago
Today's generation in front of config.sys: "G'huh?!?!?"
@3dmaker699
5 years ago (edited)
A:/ star dot star C:/
@Pervypriest
9 years ago
Great video, I really love Your videos of these old classic machines. I remember my first pc. A 486DX33Mhz With 2MB ram and 120 MB HDD and a 1 MB Tseng ET 4000 gfx card.The thing I hated the most about Windows 3.1 was the "General protection failure in kernel 386" Error Message, man I can't tell how many times that it made me loose my work. Thankfully pc's has gotten on a New Level of stability these days. Still I love all these classic machines and I am thankfull that I have experienced most of the golden era of home Computing, from 8bit and onwards. Thanks Terry for keeping these classics alive,keep up the good work
@tezzaNZ
9 years ago
Your'e welcome, and I'm glad you're enjoying the videos (-:
@zyrgle
9 years ago
Can you imagine trying to explain to today's kids that 40mhz was once considered "turbo speed"?
@wizzardoo6228
9 years ago
Should it be that difficult?
@zyrgle
9 years ago
Wizzard Oo Today's dishwashers have more processing power than that, pr'bly.
@wizzardoo6228
9 years ago
Of course, but i don't see that as a problem.
@TheFlyingScotsman
9 years ago
I must admit I like these boring beige box x86es because there is a lot of good DOS gaming to be had. After my first computer experience with the BBC I Used these throughout my first few years at school. Looking forward to seeing the remakes of your older computer videos.
@tezzaNZ
9 years ago
Yes, I once owned a 486-DX66. Great for Doom!
@TheFlyingScotsman
9 years ago
Aye it is great for that. I must admit I like the Platform games like Jill of the Jungle and Commander Keen. Apogee really knew how to make games back in the day!
@Lachlant1984
9 years ago
Terry Stewart Yes indeed, and lots of other games too. Our first PC was a 486 DX2 with Windows for Workgroups, sadly we didn't have DOOM, but we got a few games for it and I liked that PC a lot.
@TheFlyingScotsman
9 years ago
I grew up in the 90s and systems like this were just pure excitement for me.
@Polaventris
9 years ago
I never had any 286-486 era PC's myself. I went from 8088 Amstrad PC-1640 straight to first Pentium if I remember correctly. I was still using my Amiga 500 until that time.
@Lachlant1984
9 years ago
I suspect that set of header pins on the end of the sound card opposite the backplate end are for a CD-ROM drive, possibly some other daughter board for better MIDI synthesis like Wavetable Synthesis for instance. I understand that a lot of early sound cards also provided the data interface for a CD-ROM drive, and I believe these data interfaces for proprietary to the manufacturer, I understand that Creative Labs was well known for doing this. I'm sure you already knew that.
@tezzaNZ
9 years ago
Thanks, yes I suspected as much.
@jaykay18
9 years ago
That's correct-- a lot of early sound cards had 3 separate connectors for CD-ROM drives, Sony, Panasonic, and Mitsumi, if memory serves me correctly. The Panasonic and Mitsumi connectors looked about the same, but the Sony ones had less than 40 pins (I don't recall how many at the moment). You also had to have the appropriate DOS drivers for your config.sys files for these drives to work of course, plus the Microsoft MS-DOS CD-ROM Extensions (MSCDEX) loaded in order to access them. (Your typical Windows 95/98 floppy boot diskette did not have generic drivers for these, but it could of course be added).
Later sound cards added IDE to the mix, and later still had IDE only, when that became the standard interface for connecting a CD-ROM drive. After that, they did away with those connectors entirely and the IDE on your controller card (or mainboard) was used instead.
@tomyyoung2624
7 days ago
i love computer
@leonjones7120
4 months ago
My parents help me to get 386 sx, 25 Meg speed pc and I maxed it out accessories. 16 meg RAM, 387 co - processor, 8 bit colour, two hard drives up to 270 Meg hard drives, MSDOS 6.2, HP 500C inkjet printer, Two utilities to help management Quemm was one. It couldn't cope with internet as it was too slow to cope with Netscape 1.
@gregbetts8057
2 years ago
going back in memory ..thanks , good vid
@tomyyoung2624
7 days ago
oh yes bets... it's just for kicks!
@IkarusKommt
2 years ago
It seems to be an overkill to use a 386 with just 1MB of RAM.
I remember my dad’s first beige box. It was a 486 DX-33 in a big tower case. We got it in late 1992 and was the successor of my dad’s Acorn Archimedes 310 and BBC model B. The 486 had 16 Megabytes of ram and a Paradise SVGA card. One thing that 9 year old me found Interresting about this computer was the turbo button. Games wise, the pc a little bit of a step back in terms of sound in games, I was used to amiga mod style music on the archimedes. Eventually we added a soundblaster 16 and a 5x speed cd-rom later on. The biggest gripe with MS DOS was always the memory issues with games, needing enough conventional memory, high-loading stuff it was quirky and always user-friendly.
@nasigoreng553
3 years ago
LED Seven segment displays
@mixtapesforever1765
3 years ago
good video
@Kenny-bw2cz
3 years ago (edited)
As you will find by googleing the turbo button slowed down the machine so it can be more compatible with games that would run too fast on a faster processor. From Wikipedia: 'Contrary to what its name suggests, the "turbo" button was intended to let a computer run slower than the speed for which it had been designed. With the introduction of CPUs which ran faster than the original 4.77 MHz Intel 8088 used in the IBM Personal Computer, programs which relied on the CPU's frequency for timing were executing faster than intended. Games in particular were often rendered unplayable. To provide some compatibility, the "turbo" button was added. Disengaging turbo mode slows the system down to a state compatible with original 8086/8088 chips. The average user, who was not relying on outdated software, would have wanted to take care that they always had turbo mode activated, to get the most performance out of their computer.'
@hirloh6620
3 years ago
I remember QEMM386...
@chriswelcome8102
3 years ago
Damn man.... I remember our first 386 and the day we upgraded to a 486. Seemed light-years ahead. Hard to believe it was nearly 30 years ago..
@leeoconnor123
3 years ago
I was 10 years old when my mother went to a business in tottenham court road and paid something obscene for a 386 for me.. i think i put lemmings on there if i remember correctly and that was the start of my career in IT. Years later I partitioned the drive and ran Windows NT to test on, yep that death by blue screen. It was so slow but i didn't realise that at the time of course.
@gertsywozhere3888
4 years ago (edited)
Good video. BTW: LED Display, not LCD. The connector at the end of the sound card is an additional IDE port; For HD/CDROM.
@Lachlant1984
4 years ago
Was it actually possible to connect a hard drive to the IDE socket on the sound card? I know those were intended for use with CD-ROM drives and many of them used proprietary interfaces, they weren't standard IDE as I understand it. I think CD-ROM drives made by Panasonic and Sony had their own special interfaces in the early days, of course later on they did migrate to standard IDE.
@Alex4SiliconValley
4 years ago
Media Vision PAS16 Sound card with 50-pin SCSI connector.
@pduffy83usa
4 years ago
Miss you windows 3.1!!!
@Jer0tube
4 years ago
Absolutely loved the days of Windows 3.1 etc. In my opinion those were the days, people actually needed to know a little bit about DOS, and internal components of how Windows operates. Computer machines were more like actual machines with clicky noisy hard drives, flickering lights actual disk drives that you could insert disks into, (not just USB ports) and the occasional CD drive if you are lucky. They were not some quiet little box sitting in the corner of the desk or hidden out of sight.
In the Windows 3.1 era, computers were coming along in leaps and bounds as others have said and it was a recipe for intrigue and excitement. To have a computer running at 66mhz instead of 33mhz was spectacular, and let's not forget the moment in time when the 586 or Pentium came out, that was awesome!.
My computer interests have fallen since the days of post Windows 7, there is just no more character in computers anymore, if you run Microsoft Windows its all just the same old same old and it's all about controlling the user. One must question the point of the monochrome icons in Windows 8 onwards when a Windows program 20 something years ago had colour icons galore!, not very inviting if you ask me considering at one point in time actually having colour icons you could select was a thing of monumental feat.
I'm strongly thinking of rebuilding my computer with an old cream coloured desktop case, complete with 3.5 inch floppy drives, but with all the modern internal components just for the nostalgic point.
Nice video Terry!
@tezzaNZ
4 years ago
Thanks for the comment!
@halamcheng
4 years ago (edited)
Anybody know what is the value price of that kind of computer from 1990 ?
@darkknight1a
4 years ago
I had a 80386DX 33mhz pc clone. It ran pretty well. It helped me all the through high school. It was literally my first PC right after a Commodore 64. Prodigy was my first ISP. Ahh, nostalgia.
@toddstewart9070
4 years ago
Very interesting. This system look like any standard 486 or P1 based setup. I never knew that there was this style of board architecture made for 386. Every 386 I have ever seen or had was proprietary based machines like Compaq, IBM PS/2, Packard Bell, etc. I didn't even know that there was a 40mhz 386 until now, I always thought the fastest 386 based chip was a 386/33. That machine should run windows 95 with ease aswell.
@spere43
4 years ago
this was my dads first pc build
@mraliensan
5 years ago
Can anyone tell me what model and brand of this exact pc?
@tomypower4898
5 years ago
greens say yes deal
@jocefjose6004
5 years ago
Omg i love the old school look of this setup haha with all those white bezel on everything
@fatdevil1978
5 years ago
I had one of this at 1992 until 2001...very good machine and very expensive!.
@Anndi84
5 years ago
This was my childhood computer. I think we got it around 91-92. I remember playing those games...good times:) thanks for bringing back the memories
@tezzaNZ
5 years ago
Thanks for the support.
@phanominon
5 years ago
Do you have any information on the case of this pc? I have been looking for this case for a long time. TY! And great video.
@tezzaNZ
5 years ago
Thanks Jason. Re: the case, no I don't have any info sorry. Cases like this were common for generic PC clones down here at that time.
@Ace1000ks19751982
5 years ago
I remember this case, my Pentium 100 was in this case. Mine had a CD-ROM drive on the 5.25" bay, and a 3.5" hdd. The buttons and locks were on my old case as well. My 386 sx-16 computer was a pizza box desktop.
Someone had installed that on a 386 in the library at school and we played it.
@Bort1965
5 years ago
I'm the age where I should've had a computer of this era (8088, 80286, 386) but sadly my first machine was a TRS-80 CC3, but then I jumped right to a homebuilt amd 486DX2-66 machine. I wish I had had the 8088, 286 & 386 prior to obtaining a 486. I still feel that I have missed out on the best early Intel based computers. I especially missed the intel processors which you needed a math coprocessor (the 287 & 387) to run floating pt math processes.
my first 'proper' PC - Wang 386 SX25 with windows 3.1 MSDOS5 (or 6 cannot remember) MS publisher and MS Works 3.5" Floppy Disk drive .. cost 1000 Irish Punts in 1993 I think it was
@Larry640
5 years ago
You forgot about the younger people who are familiar
@callystanet5021
5 years ago
Cool, i was have an old 486 DX-2 .. but it was broken ..
Back in those days, I hardly ever used Windows (until Win95 came out).. I usually just stuck with DOS and Q-DOS. I loved Q-DOS. It just seemed faster to navigate through disks and files than Windows.
@toddstewart9070
5 years ago
During bootup when bios shows specs, it shows display type VGA/PGA/EGA.. I don't think I have ever seen PGA before
@smfanqingwu1474
5 years ago
press the turbo button. to change 33 66 mode hz
@robert001
5 years ago
It looks so clean and new, wow
@guyisbackable
5 years ago
A seven-segment display on the case?
@robert001
5 years ago
guyisbackable turbo display, 40/60 speed for low and turbo fast
@VCZKZ
6 years ago
get windows 10
@paulnegri8214
6 years ago
Hi, there Tezza, would you like to do a computer review of the Compaq computer line of computers? As this was the first successful PC Clone computer that ever came out.
@brentgpersonal7393
6 years ago
whale viewing
@stevo728822
6 years ago
Anyone remember WinGL the precursor to DirectX?
@m1ke1981
6 years ago
I remember using Norton Commander for all file management outside of Windows 3.1 So many memories seeing the old Windows 3.11 boot logo :)
@tezzaNZ
6 years ago
Yup! These were the days!
@luminumlx2604
6 years ago
tudai?
@aptiveviennapro
6 years ago
Few years "older"? I think it should be few years younger. Yeah.
@jacobrhodes7433
6 years ago (edited)
The 25MHz 486SX, ate the 386DX-40 for breakfast in general. The difference was 15-50% depending on the application or game. The exception was when you had the 387 math's coprocessor installed and you had intensive software that supports it, then the 386DX 40 is faster. The average person back in the 90's, running typical software though, the 486SX 25 was a far better option. The 20MHz 486SX was rubbish, partly because of poor chipset's, poorly designed motherboards and poor implementation. In practice the 486SX 20, was slightly slower than a 386DX-33!
@FloFloFlowable
6 years ago
Missing this time somehow, when only real addicts could take a computer to its pieces and to upgrade and work with it and stuff. :-D
@Nubyrc
6 years ago
O yea. Well can it play Pong?
@claudiodean6363
6 years ago
Jurassic PC...I used one !!
@spakkajack
6 years ago
we had an apricot xen 16mhz 386 640k ram 30 meg hdd running windows 2 at work in the early 90s. it ran aldus pagemaker, coral draw as well as a lazer printer. god knows how it managed it.
@michaelhenry-hurst2787
6 years ago
its from Palmerston North!!! OMG cause i recognize the pc A Logo
@tezzaNZ
6 years ago
Indeed it is!
@NarinSoft
6 years ago
good แบ่งน้ำหนัก จอ และ เครื่อง ให้หนักพอๆกัน ช่อง disk อยู่สูง ไม่ติด keyboard
@cyrusgraham9842
6 years ago
I'd never heard of PSSI in the 1980's FYI FOR THOSE ADVANCED COMPUTER TECH'S DURING THE 1980's WEST HAVEN, CONNECTICUT, NEW HAVEN, CONNECTICUT. CAN'T SAY 1990's because I was in the United States Army Active Duty..........my Active duty status started in late July of 1987, I was in no way a computer nerd back then, I could play Tempest, Galaga, Centipede, and Lethal Enforcer though, didn't play Pac Man or Ms Pac Man that much.
@cleverkitsune4302
6 years ago
i dont see why this is surprising.. my old 386 ran windows 3.1.1 with no isues
@selami32
6 years ago
turbo button!!
@dougbadgley6031
6 years ago
I appreciate your uploads. Love the vintage machines.
@robertgaines-tulsa
6 years ago
I wonder if a program was ever developed that gave Windows 3.1 a start menu panel like on the "Chicago" versions. When I was taking Computer Programming 1 in high school, we worked on machines that had Windows 3.1, but I mostly stayed in DOS as I was doing my work in QBASIC which was a DOS program. When I took Computer Programming 1 (Pascal) and Computer Programming 2 (C++), my teacher (same teacher for both school years) refused to put Windows on his work stations. Of course, there was no real need for it because both the programs we used were DOS programs from Borland. I aced QBASIC because I grew up with Color BASIC for the TRS80 Color Computer, and they were very close code wise. I thought Pascal was a little unwieldy, but I thought C++ was a very powerful and straight forward programming language. In general, C++ is still being used today sometimes in the form of G++ and for GUI environments which I never got into. BASIC is still around too, but mainly for children and beginners. I think Pascal died.
@tezzaNZ
6 years ago
Thanks for those reflections Robert.
@tHeWasTeDYouTh
6 years ago
I love these videos!!!!! they show so much that other people miss when they review/show/explain old hardware I was born in 91 so I never saw DOS and my earliest memory of anything having to do with a PC was Windows 98
@hongkongsmartboy
6 years ago
autoexec.bat, config.sys
@flyingarrow6672
6 years ago
I envy you my 386 computer lying in a barn and a mouse made a nest vnem. When I thought about it the computer is dead and refused work.
@teczowyrozowy
6 years ago
Wow, I always wanted to go to intel museum of technology. Thanks to your videos, I do not have to travel to USA :) Great work!
@tezzaNZ
6 years ago
Thanks for the support!
@carguyuk7525
7 years ago
when I was a student I bought an Elonex 386sx16. Soon after I bought the pc windows 3.1 was released and that made it very useful. At that time I still has msdos based software so you needed to know more than just turn on the pc and jump into Windows 10 as we do today. I upgraded my ram from 1mb to 2mb for £50. my HD was a mere 30mb and later on I upgraded and fitted a 60mb HD. I had a very noisy 24pin Panasonic dot matrix printer which could produce very decent output. A few years later I upgraded to a 486dx32 (?) and started writing my own windows software. The 486 was very fast compared to the 386, particularly when compiling.
@IIIJFRIII
7 years ago
Great great videos man. Keep it up!
@tezzaNZ
7 years ago
Thanks for the support!
@leonardoantonio8756
7 years ago
Looks pretty much as the one we got at home in the 90s, my father got one pretty well equipped, it had harvard graphics, word, excel, windows 3.1, and had autocad r12, pretty good package for its time
@SNARC15
7 years ago
My very first PC thought it was a 386SX25 with only DOS 5.0
@TravisPlaysYT
7 years ago
Finally a fellow New Zealander who is in to this stuff.
@stonent
7 years ago
Under 386 Enhanced, go to the advanced settings and enable 32bit disk and file access. It will make your 386 significantly faster in Windows.
@cyclone159
7 years ago
does it rain a lot in NZ? You seem to have to say that noise in the background is rain and not the machine in a lot of videos lol.
@DAVIDGREGORYKERR
7 years ago
Just thinking if your Hard-Drive stops working you can use a IDE2SATA adapter to let you use a SATA Hard-Drive up to about 256GB so a SATA SSD might be worth trying as it might make it run quieter, I wonder did you remove the Ethernet Adapter as you didn't want to get infected.
@tezzaNZ
7 years ago
+DAVID GREGORY KERR Yes, I could do but I like to keep them in original condition if I can. This machine is not on the Internet.
@paullangton-rogers2390
7 years ago
The 386 era I remember well, and these were considered very powerful machines for those still using 286's, especially the 386DX series. Computers began to really take off at this point with the arrival of 286 and 386 chips more so, Windows 3.0 and 3.1, then 3.11 were major turning points and leaps..it wasn't long before the internet started to gain wide mainstream popularity. Does anyone remember using 286 machines and earlier to connect to BBS's (Bulletin Board Services) the forerunner to the modern internet? You would dial-up on your 14.4kb modem (or 28.8k if you were rich) and connect to a text mode service where you could download some files, talk in chatrooms, post classifieds, and read news etc. Downloading a file even 1MB could take half a day lol and run your phone bill up so high if you got addicted to BBS's that the phone service soon suspended service or cut you off lol.
@tezzaNZ
7 years ago
+Paul UK Yes, I was a regular (if not obsessed) user of BBS's in the later 1980s. Good times.
@paullangton-rogers2390
7 years ago
Someone, amongst all my junk..I have an original set of Windows 2.0 disks. I kid you not. Windows 2! I have no idea what they looked like (never installed or used it).
@Kilbarron55
7 years ago
I well remember writing quite elaborate config.sys files with boot menus defining the hardware requirements of various games (and Windows). It was preferable to the dreaded 'boot floppy'. Thanks for the vid.
@tezzaNZ
7 years ago
+The Wallers You're welcome!
@dutchboy9991
7 years ago
great videos thank you so much for takeing the time. keep up the good work.
@tezzaNZ
7 years ago
+Egg Head Thanks for the support!
@paulnegri8214
7 years ago
Hi, there Tezza in the future would you do a review on the PC computers from 1994 TO 1995?
@dave4shmups
7 years ago
Excellent video! What company made the 386 PC in this video? I kept seeing American Megatrends, but I looked them up and I don't think that they ever manufactured any PCs, just parts for them.
@tezzaNZ
7 years ago
+David Halligan I'm not sure but I suspect the mainboard was made just by some Taiwanese clone maker. It was assembled by a local firm called "Advantage Computers".
@kipkennedy6464
7 years ago
+David Halligan https://ami.com/
AMI or American Megatrends is a specialist Firmware and BIOS manufacturer. These are assembly level language codes that tell the hardware what to do (its called POST) and allows you to make a few changes to basic hardware functionality. This was in vogue during the time PC manufacturers had not become big enough to be Value added resellers (VAR) and had not invented diagnostic tests of their own. The no. of beeps a PC gave was intended to narrow down troubleshooting to detect where the problem was and help with resolution. I don't believe I've seen a GUI BIOS from AMI : but they might have ramped it up by now.
As far as I know , they did not diversify into the mainstream consumer PC industry but kept making newer versions of BIOS and its compatibility with newer computers and hardware . I believe they also helped with introducing RAID (which is esentially a server level hardware) into consumer PCs somewhere around 2005 which introduced PC owners to RAID 0,1 and 2 since HDD sizes were increasing continuously while IDE reliability was almost non existant past 500 GB. That has now seen a decrease in trend since the introduction of Serial ATA and now, SSDHD.
@ChuckBartowski328
8 years ago
Awesome Video bro this took me back. Our first computer had Lotus 123 if i remember right lol, i always played a golf game on it. And then we upgraded to win 3.1 on 386-SX I might be off on the details lol been awhile .
@NJPurling
8 years ago
The first time I used a PC was at a introductory course. They were Pentium 70 with Win 3.11 and Word 6.0. The strange thing is that there were some odd hangovers from Win 3.11 buried inside Win 95, not sure about Win ME. Program Manager still existed & you could get the system to boot up into that. I can't remember whether you had to edit the registry or some other system file. I did remember doing just that for the curiosity value & returning the system to normal straight afterwards. Apparently Progman.exe still existed in Win XP before SP2 & I have SP4. I used to prefer Winfile when I ran Win 95. My first PC being a 485 with 8M mem & a 540Mb HDD. Somehow it ran Win 95, though I have seen Win 95 on slower stuff.
@sgpleasure
8 years ago
The computers used to display the CPU speed. these days we don't care too much now about GHZ.
@earx23
8 years ago
windows was laughable at that time and i pitied everybody who had to work with it. but the hardware was cheap and fast. loads of great games with very deep and complex gameplay were available on this generation of pc.. was very envious of that!
@snowflakesfell4407
8 years ago
I can't believe that some people accumulate and keep this junk at home...
@aw1012007
8 years ago
Great video. This was the machine I wanted as a kid and never managed to get. God it takes me back
@SteveBergen01
8 years ago
you have my two favorite games :D
@0zfer
8 years ago
The 1981 IBM pc 5150 has ISA also so does the AT... its 8 bit though but started before the XT.
@tezzaNZ
8 years ago
0zfer Yes true, although it wasn't called ISA in those machines. This name was given to the architecture by clone makers in 1988 to avoid copyright (and I suspect also to get away from the IBM name, given the latter were pushing their new MCA bus).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industry_Standard_Architecture
@vanillabumblebee5547
8 years ago
386-DX. Wow, that's actually vintage. I was 10 around that time. Now, when you press that Turbo-button, I bet GTA V would run smoothly at maxed settings. No? ; )
@MrJ0mmy
8 years ago
are you from new zealand ?
my teacher had the same pc in our classroom back in 2005 and was running windows 95 upgrade edition
@tezzaNZ
8 years ago
MrJ0mmy Yes, from New Zealand.
@MrJavaman5
8 years ago
This was basically our first home computer! I was probably 10-11 years old at the time Some guy my dad worked with built it for us. I remember the specs., a 386 running MS-DOS 5.00. We later got Windows 3.1. It had a 60MB hard drive and 2MB of RAM. I can't remember the speed, but it also had 1.44 MB floppy drive and the 1.2 MB floppy drive.
@andy16666
8 years ago
For video cards of that era, the video RAM was strictly used for a framebuffer. It was therefore a pretty straightforward calculation to figure out what modes the card would support based on the video memory. For example the memory required for 1024x768 @ 24-bit color = 2359296 bytes, far more than this card's 1MB. A 1MB card could do 1024x786 at 256 colors (8 bits per pixel), 800x600 at 65535 colors (16 bits per pixel) or 640x480 at 16.7 million colors (24-bits per pixel). I never saw a card with more than 1MB until the late 90s and by then 3D cards were starting to use the memory for more than just frame buffering.
@cihan.kurucu
8 years ago
and street road 2. my unsleeping nights. :))) thanks man :)
@cihan.kurucu
8 years ago
386 dx 40, it is i think? :) what a years were they!!!
@pokanebongani6362
8 years ago
who wants to bay a 133MHZ pc i still have it with win98 and and.
@Zestypanda
8 years ago
My first computer I ever used was my families 486SX/33mhz which my dad upgraded to a 486DX4/120mhz in late 1995. It had a quad speed CD-ROM, 15MB ram, 450MB hard drive, SB pro 2 and a dual 5.25"/3.5" floppy combo drive and a Zip drive.
@laurdy
8 years ago
The connector on the end of the sound card is probably for a cd drive
@konnykoo
8 years ago
Are you from Australia?
@summer20105707
8 years ago
You should use retro bright to spruce this PC up a little bit.
@carlosteixeira2614
8 years ago
Hi Terry, if i may: Wonderful channel and awesome collection!
Your sound card is a Mediavision Pro Audio Spectrum 16, model 650-0044. The connector on J14 is actually a 50pin SCSI connector for a SCSI interface CDROM. These interfaces are NOT bootable.
The Sound Blaster compatibility comes from the MVD201 Thunderboard chipset, which actually gives Sound Blaster 2.0 compatibility meaning it can do 44KHz mono sampling. It is of course backwards compatible with Sound Blaster 1.0, 1.5 and AdLib as well.
The card is however very capable sound wise and is 16 sampling capable when it's used natively. Many games had support for Pro Audio Spectrum 16 and they sound better this way than selecting Sound Blaster.
Your Pro Audio Spectrum 16 however depends on -5V rail since ISA B5 is present on the card. This won't be a problem for you since you use an AT power supply that provides the -5V rail. However if in the future you need to replace your power supply and all you can get is an ATX PSU and adapter, keep in mind that ATX power supplies deprecated the -5V rail since ATX 2.0 revision.
Keep your videos comin' up!! They're awesome.
@tezzaNZ
8 years ago
Thanks for the support Carlos!
@kimahlmann6707
8 years ago
connector on the end of soundcard is for an old type of cd-rom drive ;)
@martijnvanzanen4075
8 years ago
Ah. I've played street rod 2:)
@va4cqd
8 years ago
the connector at the end of the sound card was for the built in cdrom controller on the card. this was common at the time. used an IDE cable but was not IDE standard
@raydeen2k
8 years ago
AMD chips were quite good back in the day. I'm still running an old Athlon XP 1800 that, while it's running at about 1.5 Ghz, it's comparable to a 1.7 Ghz Intel Pentium 4 chip of that time (2001-ish). It was my main box up until 2006 when I got a Dell laptop with a Core Duo chipset (with a dedicated ATI card). Both machines are still running although the old AMD box is now a 24/7 backup server running Bittorrent Sync that my household computers back up to.
@TrollingAround
8 years ago
The connector on the end of the soundcard was for controlling CDROM drives. I have a drive of this type in my loft!
@MrFaceHead
9 years ago
In 1992 when I was 11, I came home from school one day to find that my dad had bought a 486 PC for the family :D . My previous experience of computers was a ZX81 and a Commodore Plus 4.
@tony.sorete
9 years ago
Thanks for the video, a lot of good memories, I used to have an AT 286 (I remember there were XTs at that time as well) and then I upgraded to a 486.
@RaptorZX3
9 years ago
my 386SX 25Mhz had a 1x cdrom drive and a sound blaster pro. so a 386DX 40Mhz can probably have a cdrom drive, but it would be tricky to use the IDE port on the sound card...
@RoSi4You
9 years ago
Instant like just for the display showing us the CPU clock. I really forgot, that we had them on PC's back then. And it's very nice walk through.
@ianbrindley4430
9 years ago
Brilliant selection of videos, as an older computer user myself, I have absolutely enjoyed watching your videos this week, especially as I work with and still enjoy using computers and have been doing so for 30+ years now, I am from the UK, England (Morecambe) to be exact and disposable income for the average working man is very low here and I cannot afford the prices charged for old computers on ebay etc, don't end it on the 386 ISA bus, you could still cover things like the rise and fall of AGP 2, 4 and 8x video with implementation of the PCI bus and even PCI express, also cover the early Pentium II/III and Athlon slot cartridge processors, upto the introduction of Hyper Threading and dual core, even the Amiga A1200, (All of which I have owned and had to sell to upgrade). Good work and thanks for the nostalgia.
@skaldprofiel9085
9 years ago
It's not PC-compatible, it's IBM PC-compatible.
@LifeOfJimbo
9 years ago
Whats the game at like
17:00
with the drivers licence? I used to play it all the time
@tezzaNZ
9 years ago
Street Rod II
@TheThorns
9 years ago
I actually had one of those
@l337pwnage
9 years ago
I bought a cheap case once, later model than that, which had that LED display on it. I think it was for a PC I assembled for someone else, but I don't recall for sure. I mighta had my old 486 DX/4 120 in it. I thought it was kind of an interesting cosmetic addition. I also actually recall having one game that needed the turbo button. It was a fighting robot game and if you ran it full speed the robots moved so fast you couldn't control them, lol. It's been a looong time since I messed with controller cards, let me throw out a guess on that big port on the back. I know the small one is the COM 1, well, it typically is, which is almost always used for the mouse. IIRC, that big one is the LPT (or LPT-1?) or parallel printer port. On the sound card the external port is typically called a game port or joystick port or MIDI port, I believe those all mean the same thing. That internal connector is typically for a CD ROM, however, that one has too many pins for an IDE drive, so my guess is SCSI??
I immediately recognized "Chips Challenge" when I saw that. I found that on an old PC someone threw out and I played it quite a bit. It gets pretty challenging at the higher levels. And of all the times I've seen Jezzball, I don't think I ever tried to play it. I may have to dig through some files and see if I can find it, lol.
I also need to stop watching these vids, I have some old stuff I need to toss and watching these just makes me want to keep everything. :(
@tezzaNZ
9 years ago
LOL! Yes, this hobby can turn one into a hoarder of sorts.
@Hellwyck
8 years ago
l337pwnage the fighting game was Rise Of The Robots.
@l337pwnage
8 years ago
Hellwyck I checked it out, and Rise of the Robots has the exact fighting style I described.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PRvr-VsNLc
But, I got lucky and came across a title I recognized. I dunno if this is the exact game, but I do remember part of the name was "One Must Fall". I also remember the part showing the scaffolding indicating that the robots are supposed to be huge and the music sounds familiar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ59l31uDLM
@philbiker3
9 years ago
Wow this brings back some memories! I had a 386DX25 based PC with 4 megs of RAM around 1989/1990. It was awesome. That sound card appears to be a variant of the Media Vision Pro Audio Spectrum 16 family of sound cards. The connector on the far end is a SCSI connector for connecting a CD-ROM drive (or other SCSI device). The Pro Audio Spectrum 16 was a very good card in its day, and the game port also could be used as a MIDI interface for musical instruments. Sometimes it was bundled with a SCSI CD-ROM drive in multimedia kits that were popular back in the day.
@brenpersing
9 years ago
I'll give you $200 for that 386 PC-Compatible
@tezzaNZ
9 years ago
Sorry, it's a keeper (-:
@jamessmith99731
9 years ago
Love the retro game gfx.
@SE09uk
9 years ago
is that a commodore version of the cm8833 on the left?
@sierraoscar9530
9 years ago
My first was a 80486 DX4 100 Overdrive. Running 16mb RAM and a 120mb HDD, everyone was very jealous of my machine!
@8KilgoreTrout4
9 years ago
Classic and in pristine condition! Love it.
@tezzaNZ
9 years ago
Thanks!
@randywatson8347
9 years ago
connector on the soundcard is for cdrom ide
@tezzaNZ
9 years ago
Yes, that's what it seems to be for.
@RushBeatles
9 years ago
I have VERY faint memories of having a 3.1 machine when I was young. I remember a ski game that was on the computer, and some floppy disk games, one being Monopoly, and another one was some civil war strategy game. I'm 23 (going to be 24 in August 2014) so this had to be when I was 4, maybe when I was 5 (I don't think my parents got a Windows 95 machine right away).
@TheMrKocour
9 years ago
You have naice machine :) I have at home 486/8MB/120 MB Disk/ Windows 3.11
@Lachlant1984
9 years ago
I've not actually played Street Rod II, but I really like the background music that you hear during what seems to be a good percentage of the game.
@wesmatron
9 years ago
Can it play Crysis?
;)
@e99aha
9 years ago
Very nice video! I think that the front lock is really a keyboard-lock switch, right? I recall being rather confused by that rather useless feature of some similar computers back in the early 90's. I wonder why they even bothered putting it in. I guess they stopped appearing a few years later for a reason... Anyway, great video. Cheers,
@tezzaNZ
9 years ago
Thanks!
@Lachlant1984
9 years ago
I believe you mentioned that the parallel port and serial port multi I/O card has a game port on it, maybe I misheard you, but I'm pretty sure that's what you said, most sound cards back then had a game port on them, that's what the large port on the backplate of the sound card is, near where the headphone and microphone and speaker sockets are, that's where you'd plug in your joystick if you're using one for games, but are you saying the Multi I/O card also has a joystick port on it too?
@tezzaNZ
9 years ago
Well, I'm not entirely sure it IS a game port. It looks like one and I'm just assuming it is. I agree that they were common on sound cards. If it's not a game port on the multifunction card though, what is it? I don't have a manual for that card. I'm certainly open to corrections.
@purrfectpwd2541
9 years ago
Terry Stewart Tezza may not have his I/O card manual, but I do... Total Hardware 99 calls it: SUPER IDE MODEL 827 VER. 11
artofhacking dot com/th99/c/U-Z/20484.htm
Conclusion: this is a joystick connector.
@Lachlant1984
9 years ago
Which makes me wonder, if you're playing a 2 player game with someone and you're both using joysticks, let's say you're both playing Skunny Kart for example, would one player be able to connect their joystick to the game port on the sound card and the other player be able to connect their joystick to the joystick port on the IDE interface board? For what it's worth, the readme file for Skunny Kart says that if your motherboard has onboard Joystick support you should disable the game port on your sound card, it also talks about using a double adaptor to connect 2 joysticks to the same PC, so I suppose the answer to my question is no, but I just thought I'd ask anyway. Would having 2 joystick ports enable cause IRQ conflict issues?
@purrfectpwd2541
9 years ago
Lachlant1984 (sorry for the essay -- wait, no I'm not: enjoy the essay)
That's an interesting point you bring up about IRQ conflict, but there's a quick answer for that: IRQ conflicts are impossible for a PC joystick. Because? (cue dreadful music) A PC joystick is not interrupt driven. Actually that's part of the problem with joystick calibration using this interface because it's timed port IO to determine joystick position: we call this polled IO. So the cpu has to do a write/read read read etc. to the port 201h while measuring the time it takes for the axis bits to fall to 0. This duration is used to estimate the analog position of the stick.
Well, different machines, as one might expect, have vastly different times, so you can't "hardcode" calibration values. (Well, the games that do only work on the developer's machine) This is why on (as was mentioned) Skunny Kart, if I calibrate my joystick with turbo on, then switch turbo off, the joystick pulls to one side: the timing of the machine is different and doesn't match the calibrated behaviour.
Back to the original question... when you do reads and writes to IO port 201h, which device are you interacting with? Presumably writes go to any card listening on that address, but where do reads come from? My guess is both cards would try to drive in that event, and, if they aren't properly isolated using protection diodes or resistor networks or what have you, likely you kill the driver circuit in one or both of them. That would be why the Skunny devs might suggest you only leave one thing enabled on that IO port, and usually the joystick on a sound card could be disabled with a jumper setting, but if it was integrated on the motherboard, you might not be able to disable it, hence their recommendation.
In summary, since the PC joystick interface uses a single IO port for both joysticks -- the interface is really four axis statuses and four button statuses stuffed into one byte -- only one joystick interface will be present at 201h. If you hardware hack the card (either one) you should be able to change the IO port address, and then have two joystick ports on different addresses from one another, with both being usable.
Could a game be written to use two different IO ports for the player's joysticks? Yes. Does Skunny Kart specifically support that configuration? I'd take the developers word for it, since they know better than I do how their input routines work.
@Lachlant1984
9 years ago
Thanks for the essay. It's been years and years since I've used anything slower than a Pentium 4 PC and I never really needed to mess with port addresses and that sort of stuff, but I way say that the Skunny Kart read me file talks about joystick calibration and CPU turbo modes changing the calibration, so what you say makes sense. I play Skunny Kart on my iMac using Boxer, (a DOSBox based emulator), and I have a USB gamepad similar to the SNES controller, so port addresses aren't an issue, but I still need to calibrate the gamepad as Skunny Kart sees it as a traditional joystick connected to a game port on the sound card, but of course it's all done in emulation. It may be that some games were written to use multiple joysticks on more than one I/O card, but again I'm only guessing. Our family used the have a 486 PC years ago, but never did we use a joystick with it, and I was only just starting to learn to use computers then.
@Lachlant1984
9 years ago
purrfect pwd By the way, I think this 386 PC would run Skunny Kart without even struggling, maybe Terry should try it and see if he likes it. You can still even buy the full version believe it or not.
@purrfectpwd2541
9 years ago
I agree that it should run, because this afternoon I tested Skunny Kart on my Am486 DX2 66, and it was unplayably fast with turbo on and at 100% speed. Hence my calibrating a joystick before playing (and with turbo enabled), then deciding to deturbo when the game began, only to have to exit and recalibrate, and I ended up just doing 50% speed or something in the menu to get playable. -- I had never heard of Skunny Kart before today, but (in USA) we did play Wacky Wheels which is quite similar, and I actually played a two-player modem game of that with a friend back in the day. -- and also I had the sidescrollers Skunny: in the wild west, and Skunny: back to the forest, so I did know who Skunny the squirrel was.
@Lachlant1984
8 years ago
purrfect pwd Yes I've also played the trial version of Whacky Wheels and I like it. The other Skunny games aren't bad, but in my opinion the music in Back To The Forest was annoying, very annoying and repetitious. And yeah, I enjoyed the essays, a lot.
@orinokonx01
9 years ago
Well done Tezza! Loved every one you made!
@GatesheadElvis
9 years ago
Great video... Seeing this brings back memories. My first office job was using mainly DOS apps. I was made unemployed for a couple of years. After that I found the world had moved on into Windows apps. These where the first machines I used with Windows. I'm now a bit of a Linux geek (was getting bored with Windows and wanted to learn something new), but I still like to run DOS aps in DOSBox (a multiplatform DOS emulator), and have discovered Windows 3x runs very well.
@electricadventures
9 years ago
This particular level of machine brings back a lot of memory. The 40Mhz in particular were the AMD variant being faster than the standard Intel 33Mhz versions. Myself and a partner started a business and got ourselves the latest machines i.e. 386-40SX machines. We used the Borland C compiler but then the very 1st version of Visual C from Microsoft came out, much slower at compiling but it had a debugger that ran in Windows (instead of switching to DOS as the Borland one did). Been a great series will be good to see some of your earlier ones with more detail etc.
@Retrocidal
9 years ago
Sad) know so much and because of my skin color.I could.never get akin where I lived seeing the CPU brings back memories sad ones when I yada dream of having a PC shop and that was all crushed they would rather hire a felon or rapist any day over me sad and I know so much I used to buy them broken and fix and really sale them thousand upon thousands od computers for the past 18 years I can fix a PC just bye the sound aandgow your is is running that's all I need Andorra can figure out ay bad parts etc with out mostly ever taking the cover off and setting up windows so it works right not half ass it like every one else I ever seen Do PC work now can't even get 50 bucks for 300 worth of repairs ands work cleaning I usaly put at lest ten hours into any PC I fix or resale pluses testing for a few week most times sector testing I miss jumpers and irqs so bad
@Retrocidal
9 years ago
Sold thousands of these PC's lolewll 186286 386 and so on old days when you could make money with PC's
@Daehawk
9 years ago
those are some of the systems I dreamed of owning back then. I finally got my first PC in 1994 , It was a 486 and i could not have been happier. I still sit here using computers today 19 years later.
@EgoShredder
9 years ago
Had me worried there for a moment! Glad this is not the end and that more is to come :-)
@tezzaNZ
9 years ago
Yes, there is more. Might not be for a while though as I've got several big projects on right now.
@davalec
9 years ago
Being a young teen by then, I remember screwing the autoexec.bat and config.sys configurations big time when trying the new games to run.... learned a lot.
Thanks for the video Terry!
@tezzaNZ
9 years ago
You're welcome. Yea, it was easy to screw those up if you didn't know what you were doing. I always saved the original files as *.old before changing them. Many of the DOS games changed those files for the user on installation.
@martinbrewer7629
9 years ago
I gotta admit, when I saw the thumbnail for this video I thought, "Why the hell is this guy covering a boring 'Generic Beige'?... As it turns out, there was every reason to do so. It was a time when Commodore, Atari and Acorn were near death as the last standing alternatives to the 'Big Two', Apple and the Wintel boxes... It's nice to know we are entering an age where alternative hardware and platforms are sneaking back into the mainstream market. Looking forward to your redux vids of machines from the fuzzy era, before things got a bit bland...
@tezzaNZ
9 years ago
Yes. And that is why this model is the last computer in my collection. I found after 1991-92 I started to lose interest in hardware. There was still a lot of interesting things in peripherals, software and connectivity (and there was the Internet of course), but the computers themselves no longer excited me. They were all just minor variations on a theme rather than variety of designs and OSes as before.
@Lachlant1984
9 years ago
The Turbo button was still very much relevant even on a 386 or 486 if you were wanting to play older DOS games on a faster PC, if you ran the games with Turbo turned on, the games would run way too fast. I remember Microsoft Jezzball, I was never good at it, but I sure do remember it well, I used to play it on my Dad's PC.
There are also a few strays I need to clean up, get working and add to the collection. These might also see time in front of the camera.
Here is what I wrote to Martin Brewer in response to a similar comment on YouTube...
"I found after 1991-92 I started to lose interest in hardware. There was still a lot of interesting things in peripherals, software and connectivity (and there was the Internet of course), but the computers themselves no longer excited me. They were all just minor variations on a theme rather than variety of designs and OSes as before."
That's why the collection doesn't go beyond the early 1990s.
EISA, SIMM RAM, 40MB HDD - today it sounds funny, so much time gone =)
I just wanted to remind you that there are people out here extremely thankful for your videos!
Thank you so much for all your hard work!
I remember my old Intel 386 sx-33, has a botton that controlated the "turbo mode". In off turbo the processor run as 25 Mhz, in ON turbo as 33Mhz, that is because some programs request less velocity to work fine and some games as "Pacman" running better in low power. Greetings and tks for the longing :D
Wait you were actually serious? Of course it can't, even flash won't run on that, even if the OS supported it :D
If you want to run CP on old OS, Win2k is the OS to go with, just need old version of Flash and Firefox/Opera installed.
You shouldn't have problems running Flash games on Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7 and newer operating systems.
Thumbs up
"G'huh?!?!?"
Thanks Terry for keeping these classics alive,keep up the good work
Today's dishwashers have more processing power than that, pr'bly.
Later sound cards added IDE to the mix, and later still had IDE only, when that became the standard interface for connecting a CD-ROM drive. After that, they did away with those connectors entirely and the IDE on your controller card (or mainboard) was used instead.
NOT LCD
With the introduction of CPUs which ran faster than the original 4.77 MHz Intel 8088 used in the IBM Personal Computer, programs which relied on the CPU's frequency for timing were executing faster than intended. Games in particular were often rendered unplayable. To provide some compatibility, the "turbo" button was added.
Disengaging turbo mode slows the system down to a state compatible with original 8086/8088 chips.
The average user, who was not relying on outdated software, would have wanted to take care that they always had turbo mode activated, to get the most performance out of their computer.'
In the Windows 3.1 era, computers were coming along in leaps and bounds as others have said and it was a recipe for intrigue and excitement. To have a computer running at 66mhz instead of 33mhz was spectacular, and let's not forget the moment in time when the 586 or Pentium came out, that was awesome!.
My computer interests have fallen since the days of post Windows 7, there is just no more character in computers anymore, if you run Microsoft Windows its all just the same old same old and it's all about controlling the user. One must question the point of the monochrome icons in Windows 8 onwards when a Windows program 20 something years ago had colour icons galore!, not very inviting if you ask me considering at one point in time actually having colour icons you could select was a thing of monumental feat.
I'm strongly thinking of rebuilding my computer with an old cream coloured desktop case, complete with 3.5 inch floppy drives, but with all the modern internal components just for the nostalgic point.
Nice video Terry!
Someone had installed that on a 386 in the library at school and we played it.
So many memories seeing the old Windows 3.11 boot logo :)
Yeah.
was 15-50% depending on the application or game. The exception was when
you had the 387 math's coprocessor installed and you had intensive software
that supports it, then the 386DX 40 is faster. The average person back in the
90's, running typical software though, the 486SX 25 was a far better option.
The 20MHz 486SX was rubbish, partly because of poor chipset's, poorly
designed motherboards and poor implementation. In practice the 486SX 20,
was slightly slower than a 386DX-33!
god knows how it managed it.
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I was born in 91 so I never saw DOS and my earliest memory of anything having to do with a PC was Windows 98
Great work!
thank you so much for takeing the time.
keep up the good work.
https://ami.com/
AMI or American Megatrends is a specialist Firmware and BIOS manufacturer.
These are assembly level language codes that tell the hardware what to do (its called POST) and allows you to make a few changes to basic hardware functionality. This was in vogue during the time PC manufacturers had not become big enough to be Value added resellers (VAR) and had not invented diagnostic tests of their own.
The no. of beeps a PC gave was intended to narrow down troubleshooting to detect where the problem was and help with resolution.
I don't believe I've seen a GUI BIOS from AMI : but they might have ramped it up by now.
As far as I know , they did not diversify into the mainstream consumer PC industry but kept making newer versions of BIOS and its compatibility with newer computers and hardware .
I believe they also helped with introducing RAID (which is esentially a server level hardware) into consumer PCs somewhere around 2005 which introduced PC owners to RAID 0,1 and 2 since HDD sizes were increasing continuously while IDE reliability was almost non existant past 500 GB.
That has now seen a decrease in trend since the introduction of Serial ATA and now, SSDHD.
The strange thing is that there were some odd hangovers from Win 3.11 buried inside Win 95, not sure about Win ME.
Program Manager still existed & you could get the system to boot up into that. I can't remember whether you had to edit the registry or some other system file. I did remember doing just that for the curiosity value & returning the system to normal straight afterwards.
Apparently Progman.exe still existed in Win XP before SP2 & I have SP4.
I used to prefer Winfile when I ran Win 95. My first PC being a 485 with 8M mem & a 540Mb HDD. Somehow it ran Win 95, though I have seen Win 95 on slower stuff.
Now, when you press that Turbo-button, I bet GTA V would run smoothly at maxed settings. No? ; )
my teacher had the same pc in our classroom back in 2005 and was running windows 95 upgrade edition
Your sound card is a Mediavision Pro Audio Spectrum 16, model 650-0044. The connector on J14 is actually a 50pin SCSI connector for a SCSI interface CDROM. These interfaces are NOT bootable.
The Sound Blaster compatibility comes from the MVD201 Thunderboard chipset, which actually gives Sound Blaster 2.0 compatibility meaning it can do 44KHz mono sampling. It is of course backwards compatible with Sound Blaster 1.0, 1.5 and AdLib as well.
The card is however very capable sound wise and is 16 sampling capable when it's used natively. Many games had support for Pro Audio Spectrum 16 and they sound better this way than selecting Sound Blaster.
Your Pro Audio Spectrum 16 however depends on -5V rail since ISA B5 is present on the card. This won't be a problem for you since you use an AT power supply that provides the -5V rail. However if in the future you need to replace your power supply and all you can get is an ATX PSU and adapter, keep in mind that ATX power supplies deprecated the -5V rail since ATX 2.0 revision.
Keep your videos comin' up!! They're awesome.
Good work and thanks for the nostalgia.
I also actually recall having one game that needed the turbo button. It was a fighting robot game and if you ran it full speed the robots moved so fast you couldn't control them, lol.
It's been a looong time since I messed with controller cards, let me throw out a guess on that big port on the back. I know the small one is the COM 1, well, it typically is, which is almost always used for the mouse. IIRC, that big one is the LPT (or LPT-1?) or parallel printer port.
On the sound card the external port is typically called a game port or joystick port or MIDI port, I believe those all mean the same thing. That internal connector is typically for a CD ROM, however, that one has too many pins for an IDE drive, so my guess is SCSI??
I immediately recognized "Chips Challenge" when I saw that. I found that on an old PC someone threw out and I played it quite a bit. It gets pretty challenging at the higher levels.
And of all the times I've seen Jezzball, I don't think I ever tried to play it. I may have to dig through some files and see if I can find it, lol.
I also need to stop watching these vids, I have some old stuff I need to toss and watching these just makes me want to keep everything. :(
I checked it out, and Rise of the Robots has the exact fighting style I described.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PRvr-VsNLc
But, I got lucky and came across a title I recognized. I dunno if this is the exact game, but I do remember part of the name was "One Must Fall". I also remember the part showing the scaffolding indicating that the robots are supposed to be huge and the music sounds familiar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ59l31uDLM
;)
Total Hardware 99 calls it: SUPER IDE MODEL 827 VER. 11
artofhacking dot com/th99/c/U-Z/20484.htm
Conclusion: this is a joystick connector.
(sorry for the essay -- wait, no I'm not: enjoy the essay)
That's an interesting point you bring up about IRQ conflict, but
there's a quick answer for that: IRQ conflicts are impossible for
a PC joystick. Because? (cue dreadful music) A PC joystick is
not interrupt driven. Actually that's part of the problem with
joystick calibration using this interface because it's timed
port IO to determine joystick position: we call this polled IO.
So the cpu has to do a write/read read read etc. to the port 201h
while measuring the time it takes for the axis bits to fall to 0.
This duration is used to estimate the analog position of the stick.
Well, different machines, as one might expect, have vastly
different times, so you can't "hardcode" calibration values.
(Well, the games that do only work on the developer's machine)
This is why on (as was mentioned) Skunny Kart, if I calibrate my
joystick with turbo on, then switch turbo off, the joystick pulls
to one side: the timing of the machine is different and doesn't
match the calibrated behaviour.
Back to the original question... when you do reads and writes to
IO port 201h, which device are you interacting with? Presumably
writes go to any card listening on that address, but where do
reads come from? My guess is both cards would try to drive in
that event, and, if they aren't properly isolated using protection
diodes or resistor networks or what have you, likely you kill the
driver circuit in one or both of them. That would be why the Skunny
devs might suggest you only leave one thing enabled on that IO
port, and usually the joystick on a sound card could be disabled
with a jumper setting, but if it was integrated on the motherboard,
you might not be able to disable it, hence their recommendation.
In summary, since the PC joystick interface uses a single IO
port for both joysticks -- the interface is really four
axis statuses and four button statuses stuffed into one byte --
only one joystick interface will be present at 201h. If you
hardware hack the card (either one) you should be able to
change the IO port address, and then have two joystick ports on
different addresses from one another, with both being usable.
Could a game be written to use two different IO ports for the
player's joysticks? Yes. Does Skunny Kart specifically support
that configuration? I'd take the developers word for it, since
they know better than I do how their input routines work.
Been a great series will be good to see some of your earlier ones with more detail etc.
Thanks for the video Terry!